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and how do the pro-union republicans pursue overturn this? and republicans acute in how they put together and appropriations bill and no automatic way to get a referendum to put it on the ballot. what they can do, however, is get 8%, signatures equivalent to 8% of the turnout in the 2010 election, the last gubernatorial election. if they collect 8% of the public like that they can put it on the ballot in 2014 so there would be that. the other issue is this. rick snyder is up for re-election in 2014 anyway. he already isn't that popular: michigan is generally a blue state to start with. so if you could take out rick snyder in 2014, again, the legislature as it will be comprised this coming year amenable with the democratic governor to undoing the law. >> you don't mean a recall. >> no, no. like in wisconsin, you know, a lot of people in the wake of that say how did scott walker win by so much? voters may not have liked what he did but they didn't like the idea of, you know, he's in the middle of the term. let him finish we elected him to. that
and how do the pro-union republicans pursue overturn this? and republicans acute in how they put together and appropriations bill and no automatic way to get a referendum to put it on the ballot. what they can do, however, is get 8%, signatures equivalent to 8% of the turnout in the 2010 election, the last gubernatorial election. if they collect 8% of the public like that they can put it on the ballot in 2014 so there would be that. the other issue is this. rick snyder is up for re-election in...
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but the folks on the outside of unions. so we're going to fight this to the very end. and we're going to not let governor snyder get any rest until we return the working people back their rights that they had before governor snyder signed this. >> the gop's war on workers, we hear the language very similar to alec when we see michigan's proposed right to work billing mirror the word for word the detroit free press says. we know there's koch brother moneys. do you expect people around the country now to rally in michigan to possibly deal with a recall? or whatever options are available that congressman peters referred to? >> i think so. i think we've got to hold these guys accountable. this guy won't answer my phone call. he'll ignore 13,000 people at the capitol this morning. but you know whose call he will answer? the koch brothers. and that's wrong. maybe we lost this today, but this fight is not over. >> congressman peters -- congressman peters, explain to the people watching around the country what happened. a lot of pe
but the folks on the outside of unions. so we're going to fight this to the very end. and we're going to not let governor snyder get any rest until we return the working people back their rights that they had before governor snyder signed this. >> the gop's war on workers, we hear the language very similar to alec when we see michigan's proposed right to work billing mirror the word for word the detroit free press says. we know there's koch brother moneys. do you expect people around the...
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who work for the state government, or if they only killed the unions in the private sector. but the reason that governor snyder has been able to do all of this in such a hurry, the reason he was able to make the 180 he pulled on stripping union rights, for example, the reason he is able to purchase saul the anti-abortion and the anti-sharia law legislation is because he can, right? michigan republicans are moving full steam ahead with whatever they want. they've got control of both houses of the legislature. they've got the governorship. even after they come back next year for the next session, even after this election, which was not very kind to republicans, including those in michigan, they're still going to have control of both houses of the legislature. they're still going to have the governorship. they are steaming right ahead. republicans can do whatever they want in michigan, now and for the foreseeable future, because obviously, as you know, michigan is a red state. a red state, michigan. that's why republicans get to say what happens there. see? red state. see how r
who work for the state government, or if they only killed the unions in the private sector. but the reason that governor snyder has been able to do all of this in such a hurry, the reason he was able to make the 180 he pulled on stripping union rights, for example, the reason he is able to purchase saul the anti-abortion and the anti-sharia law legislation is because he can, right? michigan republicans are moving full steam ahead with whatever they want. they've got control of both houses of...
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under a right to work law, employees of a union shop don't have to pay union dues. the employees get the benefit of the union, the higher wages and better health care, all of that, but they do not have to pay for it. why pay money if you can have something for free? for unions, the results of this are close to catastrophic which is why republicans and big business love right to work laws. they are a way of destroying unions. the same heritage foundation that will be jim demint's new home says union membership fell by 15% in states that passed right to work. union organizing fell by half, passing a right to work law stops unions and it stops organizing. on the labor left, the economic policy institute reports that wages fall by more than 3% after you institute right to work. and pensions take a hit, too. that's why unions call right to work the right to work for less. with governor snyder saying he wanted no part of a fight over right to work just a few months ago, the move to pass a bill in michigan was, well, kind of surprising. it appears to have started this year
under a right to work law, employees of a union shop don't have to pay union dues. the employees get the benefit of the union, the higher wages and better health care, all of that, but they do not have to pay for it. why pay money if you can have something for free? for unions, the results of this are close to catastrophic which is why republicans and big business love right to work laws. they are a way of destroying unions. the same heritage foundation that will be jim demint's new home says...
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bills making it illegal for public and private unions to compel workers to pay union dues a. short time ago, the michigan legislature okayed the bills despite protests of more than 10,000 workers who came out in the freezing cold to show their opposition. and past hour, republican governor rick snyder pledged to sign both in to law as early as tomorrow making michigan the nation's 24th right to work state. >> i didn't do this for the politics. this is a policy issue that came about because the proposal 2 went down and we had a large-scale discussion going on and best to say it's on the table. let's make decisions, move forward. this is to move michigan forward. about more and better jobs and worker choice. >> and one top union official has vowed to wage war against lawmakers that support the measure saying, quote, we are going to take you out. nbc's ron mott has the latest of lansing. >> reporter: good afternoon, tamron. protest is the word of the day. they're voicing opposition to this legislation that would make michigan the 24th right to work state in the country. now, the
bills making it illegal for public and private unions to compel workers to pay union dues a. short time ago, the michigan legislature okayed the bills despite protests of more than 10,000 workers who came out in the freezing cold to show their opposition. and past hour, republican governor rick snyder pledged to sign both in to law as early as tomorrow making michigan the nation's 24th right to work state. >> i didn't do this for the politics. this is a policy issue that came about...
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are you serious this is not anti-union? >> i don't view it as pro or anti-union. unions just need to be responsive to people to step up and deliver value. and workers have that choice. and workers should have that choice. they shouldn't be compelled to join something they don't see value in. >> virg bernero, isn't it interesting how government in michigan is so concerned about the relationship between union and its workers? >> yeah, it's interesting this freedom, freedom and this choice. you know, if the governor and others who are for this believe really in this kind of freedom and choice in a democracy, then why don't they make taxes voluntary? because the reality is that that's what union dues are. the majority has voted for a union, and the majority rules in a democracy. just like the majority voted for rick snyder. i might not agree with his policies as governor, but i don't have a choice to hold back on my taxes. i might not agree with the direction the president is taking, but i got to pay my federal taxes or the irs will come after me. so the idea that you
are you serious this is not anti-union? >> i don't view it as pro or anti-union. unions just need to be responsive to people to step up and deliver value. and workers have that choice. and workers should have that choice. they shouldn't be compelled to join something they don't see value in. >> virg bernero, isn't it interesting how government in michigan is so concerned about the relationship between union and its workers? >> yeah, it's interesting this freedom, freedom and...
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anti-union. if you look at it, i believe this is pro worker. >> the people of michigan are fighting back against rick snyder's assault on workers. tonight, michigan's own michael moore is here to unveil his plan to undo the republicans' sneak attack. >>> last night's concert was a smashing success. but it's not nearly enough. i'll tell you how house republicans are obstructing sandy relief money. >>> and a meteorologist at a television station in louisiana defends herself on facebook against a racist comment and gets fired from her job. tonight, rhonda lee tells her side of the story on "the ed show." >>> welcome back to "the ed show." our next guest has a long history with the state of michigan. >> hi. i'm michael moore. in my hometown of flint, michigan general motors closed the factories and put 30,000 people out of work. to raise their spirits i made this movie. >> the protests we've seen in michigan lately probably got his attention. >> right to work is wrong! right to work is wrong! right t
anti-union. if you look at it, i believe this is pro worker. >> the people of michigan are fighting back against rick snyder's assault on workers. tonight, michigan's own michael moore is here to unveil his plan to undo the republicans' sneak attack. >>> last night's concert was a smashing success. but it's not nearly enough. i'll tell you how house republicans are obstructing sandy relief money. >>> and a meteorologist at a television station in louisiana defends...
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workplace from joining or paying dues to that union. meanwhile, pro-union protesters are swarming the michigan capital building in lansing in scenes reminiscent of the battles over union rights in wisconsin and in ohio last year. david corn, we -- the president has sort of -- was in michigan yesterday, and bundled this into a bigger message about the middle class, working americans. is this a good time for republicans to be on the side -- well, against workers rights in the context of this broader conversation we're having? >> you know, we shall see here because they clearly have the votes and snyder says he is going to do this. you see the response. you saw the response in wisconsin. their walker survived the fight. i assume this will be as big, if not bigger, and the uaw, of course, the unions are even stronger in michigan than they are in wisconsin, so, you know, this will be a six-month, year-long process. i don't know what the recall was in michigan compared to wisconsin, but i expect this is the beginning of a long fight, and we'l
workplace from joining or paying dues to that union. meanwhile, pro-union protesters are swarming the michigan capital building in lansing in scenes reminiscent of the battles over union rights in wisconsin and in ohio last year. david corn, we -- the president has sort of -- was in michigan yesterday, and bundled this into a bigger message about the middle class, working americans. is this a good time for republicans to be on the side -- well, against workers rights in the context of this...
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and that's how unions -- that's how unions survive. and thrive. so, yeah. this is going to be something that we're going to be talking about tomorrow and in the months and probably years to come. i can't remember who said it to you earlier. also, in the program today that, you know, michigan could be the model for the country. >> something that the uaw and its supporters do not want to take place. jonathan, of course we don't know whether tomorrow's the day when we have a resolution of the fiscal cliff. kent conrad said earlier it's too soon and involve -- permit too much time for the advocates to take time at it. thank you very much. we'll talk to you tomorrow i hope. that does it for this edition. tomorrow we have a big show. congresswoman rogers, chair of the house republican conference, former obama foreign policy adviser, former pentagon advis r adviser, "the washington post" eugene robinson and oliver stone. tamron hall is right here. >> hey there, andrea. great to be in d.c. an it is your town. we'll talk about when's happening. another town, michiga
and that's how unions -- that's how unions survive. and thrive. so, yeah. this is going to be something that we're going to be talking about tomorrow and in the months and probably years to come. i can't remember who said it to you earlier. also, in the program today that, you know, michigan could be the model for the country. >> something that the uaw and its supporters do not want to take place. jonathan, of course we don't know whether tomorrow's the day when we have a resolution of...
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on the other side, fighting to defend union rights, you'll find, naturally, unions, which of course will be essentially gotten rid of with this legislation that the republicans and their conservative donors are pushing through. think about that. it's kind of a striking thing here. the raw political side of this. "the nation" magazine looked into who the supporters were on both sides of this issue, and they found that the only competition on the pro union rights side is the unions themselves. who of course this fight is designed to quash, to make go away. it's a handy way of getting your way, right? existentially erasing your opposition. it's the politics of process as much or more than it is the politics of substance. so, you know, you keep the other side's voters from voting somehow. you screw up the district map, so no matter how many more votes are cast for team a over team b. it's team b that always wins a majority of the seats anyway. you use state law to eliminate the existence of institutions that tend to support the other party come election time. it's not about persuading voters
on the other side, fighting to defend union rights, you'll find, naturally, unions, which of course will be essentially gotten rid of with this legislation that the republicans and their conservative donors are pushing through. think about that. it's kind of a striking thing here. the raw political side of this. "the nation" magazine looked into who the supporters were on both sides of this issue, and they found that the only competition on the pro union rights side is the unions...
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anti-union. if you look at it, i believe this is pro worker. >> the people of michigan are fighting back against rick snyder's assault on workers. tonight, michigan's own michael moore is here to unveil his plan to undo the republicans' sneak attack. >>> last night's concert was a smashing success. but it's not nearly enough. i'll tell you how house republicans are obstructing sandy relief money. >>> and a meteorologist at a television station in louisiana defends herself on facebook against a racist comment and gets fired from her job. tonight, rhonda lee tells her side of the story on "the ed show." hey, look! a shooting star! make a wish! i wish we could lie here forever. i wish this test drive was over, so we could head back to the dealership. [ male announcer ] it's practically yours. test drive! but we still need your signature. volkswagen sign then drive is back. and it's never been easier to get a jetta. that's the power of german engineering. get $0 down, $0 due at signing, $0 deposit, a
anti-union. if you look at it, i believe this is pro worker. >> the people of michigan are fighting back against rick snyder's assault on workers. tonight, michigan's own michael moore is here to unveil his plan to undo the republicans' sneak attack. >>> last night's concert was a smashing success. but it's not nearly enough. i'll tell you how house republicans are obstructing sandy relief money. >>> and a meteorologist at a television station in louisiana defends...
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anti-union. if you look at it, i believe this is pro worker. >> the people of michigan are fighting back against rick snyder's assault on workers. tonight, michigan's own michael moore is here town veil h unvein to undo the republicans' sneak attack. >>> last night's concert was a smashing success. but it's not nearly enough. i'll tell you how house republicans are obstructing sandy relief money. >>> and a meteorologist at a television station in louisiana defends herself on facebook against a racist comment and gets fired from her job. tonight, rhonda lee tells her side of the story on "the ed show." sniffs ] i have a cold. [ sniffs ] i took dayquil but my nose is still runny. [ male announcer ] truth is, dayquil doesn't treat that. really? [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus fights your worst cold symptoms, plus it relieves your runny nose. [ breathes deeply ] awesome. [ male announcer ] yes, it is. that's the cold truth! sure. cake or pie? pie. apple or cherry? cherry. oil or cream? oil or cr
anti-union. if you look at it, i believe this is pro worker. >> the people of michigan are fighting back against rick snyder's assault on workers. tonight, michigan's own michael moore is here town veil h unvein to undo the republicans' sneak attack. >>> last night's concert was a smashing success. but it's not nearly enough. i'll tell you how house republicans are obstructing sandy relief money. >>> and a meteorologist at a television station in louisiana defends...
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so michigan voted no on union rights in the election. so that's why rick snyder says he got rid of union rights in the state. michigan at the same time voted no on the emergency manager law. and so rick snyder responded to that vote by passing a new emergency manager law. one that can't be repealed by the voters this time. that happened this afternoon. snyder is due to sign it as soon as it hits his desk. and this is how michigan works these days. this is why rick snyder is making michigan famous for the most radical state governments in the nation. they treat democracy there like a coin toss. it's one of those coin tosses where if it's heads they win. but if it's tails you lose. do you want to flip again? what has happened in michigan so far is the most dramatic manifestation of how the republican party intends to govern in response to the last election. there's been a lot of talking about what the republicans are going to do, what the republicans might do differently now, but this isn't about talking. in michigan we are seeing what the
so michigan voted no on union rights in the election. so that's why rick snyder says he got rid of union rights in the state. michigan at the same time voted no on the emergency manager law. and so rick snyder responded to that vote by passing a new emergency manager law. one that can't be repealed by the voters this time. that happened this afternoon. snyder is due to sign it as soon as it hits his desk. and this is how michigan works these days. this is why rick snyder is making michigan...
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no one can be forced to join the union. if you benefit from union representation, you d be required to pay for it. not just by your boss. the majority of workers vote in union leadership and vote in a contract that chooses for people to bind each other to make that contribution. >> it sounds like democracy. i'm going to give you the last words in the last few seconds here. what is uaws plan next? what will you go next? >> we are going to build a broad alliance across michigan and across the united states and make sure people know what this id logical agenda is, it's suppression of women's rights, labor rights, immigrant rights. it's about what kind of america do we want. the only way to win is rebuild a new social justice movement in the united states. >> thank you so much, bob king in michigan. >> thank you to josh. coming up, we are going to go back live to newtown, connecticut, for the latest on the school shooting and president obama's visit later today. >>> welcome back. i'm melissa harris-perry. this hour, we have a l
no one can be forced to join the union. if you benefit from union representation, you d be required to pay for it. not just by your boss. the majority of workers vote in union leadership and vote in a contract that chooses for people to bind each other to make that contribution. >> it sounds like democracy. i'm going to give you the last words in the last few seconds here. what is uaws plan next? what will you go next? >> we are going to build a broad alliance across michigan and...
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can it do to unions? the law probably strengthens unions. >> if this is a right to work state, it makes it illegal for unions and employers to man tateidate that employees be part of the union or pay money to that union. >> or destroy when they have to stay afloat. one or the other. >> kagy gray is the reporter for the detroit free press and joins us now. this happened very quickly. it looks like we have not seen the end of this fight. democrats and union activists and anybody who supports the unions about finding a way to overturn this. they have three options and is to pursue a legal challenge to how the law was passed in the legislature. the second involves beating sick snyder, the governor's race that requires them to win both houses. it looks like a long shot that looks like the boast bankable bet to collect signatures equivalent to 8% to the total number of votes cast. that means 258,000 signatures. then they can get a referendum on this. is that the best bet for people to overturn this? >> it's sti
can it do to unions? the law probably strengthens unions. >> if this is a right to work state, it makes it illegal for unions and employers to man tateidate that employees be part of the union or pay money to that union. >> or destroy when they have to stay afloat. one or the other. >> kagy gray is the reporter for the detroit free press and joins us now. this happened very quickly. it looks like we have not seen the end of this fight. democrats and union activists and anybody...
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ohio, unions won. wisconsin, unions lost. michigan, another union heavy state, we could see something else entirely. that said the president going there and most likely the president is going to voice his opposition to this, i think that also elevates this issue a little bit more than it would have been otherwise. >> also heavily symbolic, don't you think, dana? michigan was one of the grandfathers of the union movement. this is a place where i think a lot of people felt for many, many years that as challenges to unions went, this was the one that was likely to hold strong. >> right. it's highly some bollic to take it to the uaw right there in the heart of all their power. it's no secret that union power, particularly in the private sector, has been declining for a long period of time. but, you know, the question is, less whether they can win the battle in the short term but if there's a backlash of the regular voter, nonunion voter saying why are you wasting your time with this stuff? >>> standing up for malala. historic glo
ohio, unions won. wisconsin, unions lost. michigan, another union heavy state, we could see something else entirely. that said the president going there and most likely the president is going to voice his opposition to this, i think that also elevates this issue a little bit more than it would have been otherwise. >> also heavily symbolic, don't you think, dana? michigan was one of the grandfathers of the union movement. this is a place where i think a lot of people felt for many, many...
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it's bad for union, not union. but one thing it is going to be good for right now, it's going to show working people in the state of michigan that we in fact need to be at the table, that we can't have outside organizations or legislatures or governors who think that they have all the answers and they don't want to include everyone in the discussion. that's not the way you recreate a state. that's not the way you contribute in a global economy. workers have a lot to offer. it's unfortunate that governor snyder didn't get that. >> congressman gary peters, cindy estrada, uaw, great to have you with us. >>> stay tuned. we'll tell you exactly where they're going in the next fight. >>> and we are back. president obama defined the so-called right laws as the right to work for less. we invited our viewers on twitter and facebook to tell us what right-to-work means to them on facebook. anthony rice wrote being from south carolina, a right-to-work state, the only right you have is none. the employer has all the rights. joe
it's bad for union, not union. but one thing it is going to be good for right now, it's going to show working people in the state of michigan that we in fact need to be at the table, that we can't have outside organizations or legislatures or governors who think that they have all the answers and they don't want to include everyone in the discussion. that's not the way you recreate a state. that's not the way you contribute in a global economy. workers have a lot to offer. it's unfortunate that...
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i'm not being anti-union here. i'm pro-union. i want factories in connecticut, in rhode island, in massachusetts, across new england reopened. but the jobs from overseas, they're not going there. they're not going there because of work force rules that i think even trump told me were outdated and outmoded. >> is our education system outdated? >> no. >> our union advocacy, is that outdated, how they go about fighting for it? i don't know. that question was put on the table. whether factories are shut, that means jobs have left. if you look at wages enjoyed by workers in right-to-work states, i think it should be put on the table. where do they fare? i have not done the analysis so it's hard to say. >> it's a question, though, willie, whether you want the job or not. >> right. >> i asked bob riley, i've said this 1,000 times, it seems extraordinarily important if you're a union member in the northeast, and like me, you want your factories running again. i asked bob riley, i don't understand, why did mercedes go to tuscaloosa county
i'm not being anti-union here. i'm pro-union. i want factories in connecticut, in rhode island, in massachusetts, across new england reopened. but the jobs from overseas, they're not going there. they're not going there because of work force rules that i think even trump told me were outdated and outmoded. >> is our education system outdated? >> no. >> our union advocacy, is that outdated, how they go about fighting for it? i don't know. that question was put on the table....
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it's bad for union, not union. but one thing it is going to be good for right now, it's going to show working people in the state of michigan that we in fact need to be at the table, that we can't have outside organizations or legislatures or governors who think that they have all the answers and they don't want to include everyone in the discussion. that's not the way you recreate a state. that's not the way you contribute in a global economy. workers have a lot to offer. it's unfortunate that governor snyder didn't get that. >> congressman gary peters, cindy estrada, wau, great to have you with us. >>> stay tuned. we'll tell you exactly where they're going in the next fight. s military families face, we understand. at usaa, we know military life is different. we've been there. that's why every bit of financial advice we offer is geared specifically to current and former military members and their families. [ laughs ] dad! dad! [ applause ] ♪ [ male announcer ] life brings obstacles. usaa brings advice. call or
it's bad for union, not union. but one thing it is going to be good for right now, it's going to show working people in the state of michigan that we in fact need to be at the table, that we can't have outside organizations or legislatures or governors who think that they have all the answers and they don't want to include everyone in the discussion. that's not the way you recreate a state. that's not the way you contribute in a global economy. workers have a lot to offer. it's unfortunate that...
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unions. since the elections of 2010 we have seen this in indiana and wisconsin. republicans tried to do that in ohio too. and voters repealed the anti-union law by 22 points. today republicans succeeded in taking away union rights. they succeeded in weakening unions in the cradle of american labor, in michigan, in walter reuther's home. it didn't even take them all that long. >> mr. speaker, i have a question of final passage of senate bill 116. there are 58 aye votes and 52 nay. >> having voted for, the bill is passed. >> the michigan legislature today finished what they started out of the blue last week. they passed a pair of bills to take union rights away from public employees, and this is important, from workers in the private sector. you can see the reaction from supporters of union rights today at the capitol. more than 10,000 people gathered on the lawn outside. they say the protests today in michigan the largest the state has ever seen. the bills weaken unions in michigan by making i
unions. since the elections of 2010 we have seen this in indiana and wisconsin. republicans tried to do that in ohio too. and voters repealed the anti-union law by 22 points. today republicans succeeded in taking away union rights. they succeeded in weakening unions in the cradle of american labor, in michigan, in walter reuther's home. it didn't even take them all that long. >> mr. speaker, i have a question of final passage of senate bill 116. there are 58 aye votes and 52 nay. >>...
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why are unions so important to you? what is the value proposition? >> well, the value proposition is this. when you go into bargaining or negotiating a contract or anything like that, there is always conversation. when michigan is in hard times like it has been and the governor knows this, we do compromise on some things and we do work with them and we do meet with them at the table and try to come up with something that works for both sides. that weakens us the more -- the more our revenue in the unions are gone and missing, the more that's going to prevent us from being able to negotiate with any kind of leverage whatsoever. they know this and that's what they're counting on. they're counting on using the words like freedom and other things to get people on board with this, and after yesterday's demonstration, i think the clear message was that people do not like this, it's divisive, they know this, it's to weaken the unions, weaken the leverage the unions have to create a safe work environment, and it's all a lot of millions of dollars they're bri
why are unions so important to you? what is the value proposition? >> well, the value proposition is this. when you go into bargaining or negotiating a contract or anything like that, there is always conversation. when michigan is in hard times like it has been and the governor knows this, we do compromise on some things and we do work with them and we do meet with them at the table and try to come up with something that works for both sides. that weakens us the more -- the more our...
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something against the unions. i support the unions in many regards. i support their right to organize. i encourage the unions to be very proactive to presenting the best cases as to why someone would be joining a union. >> the governor is dead wrong. when right-to-work laws pass, union membership goes down along with workers' wages. this is part of the republican effort to dismantle the democratic base by union busting. let's bring in lansing mayor virg bernero tonight. good to have you with us. i know you're steaming about this. you just heard what the governor said. he wants to encourage the unions and encourages people to join. what do you make of that? >> please. it's the ultimate doublespeak. democracy is under attack. it's not hyperbolic to say democracy is under attack in michigan. to attack them, they are locking people out of the capital. the people's building. they are using state police. those weren't my police, by the way, who maced folks. they are using state police to block people from entering the t
something against the unions. i support the unions in many regards. i support their right to organize. i encourage the unions to be very proactive to presenting the best cases as to why someone would be joining a union. >> the governor is dead wrong. when right-to-work laws pass, union membership goes down along with workers' wages. this is part of the republican effort to dismantle the democratic base by union busting. let's bring in lansing mayor virg bernero tonight. good to have you...
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what are they doing, going after labor unions. people forget, all the things we take for granted, whether 2 will be sick leave, available indication days, five-day work week, 40-hour week, it's all because of fights the labor unions did to help the middle class and help working families be competitive in this marketplace. >> do you see any states that might be at risk here? >> do i think what? >> do you see any states that are at risk next? >> oh, yeah, i think the republican party is going to spend a lot of time trying to do this because it's unfortunate because what the republican party ought to be doing is how to change the message to talk to middle class families. the nbc/"wall street journal" poll this morning said republic people view republicans as being too rich. it should be how do they expand the pie and get more people in the party than how to exclude people. >> in other states, john, the backlash it could be wisconsin-like. are republicans ready for this possibility? >> well, i think what republicans are trying to do,
what are they doing, going after labor unions. people forget, all the things we take for granted, whether 2 will be sick leave, available indication days, five-day work week, 40-hour week, it's all because of fights the labor unions did to help the middle class and help working families be competitive in this marketplace. >> do you see any states that might be at risk here? >> do i think what? >> do you see any states that are at risk next? >> oh, yeah, i think the...
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it's bad for union, nonunion. but one thing it is going to be good for right now, it's going to show working people in the state of michigan that we, in fact, need to be at the table, that we can't have outside organizations or legislatures or governors who think that they have all the answers and they don't want to include everyone in the discussion. that's not the way you recreate a state. that's not the way you contribute in a global economy. workers have a lot to offer. it's unfortunate that governor snyder didn't get that. >> congressman gary peters, cindy estrada, uaw, great to have you with us. thanks so much. >> great to be with you. >>> stay tuned. we'll tell you exactly where they're going in the next fight. . . don't go over 2000... 1200 calories a day. carbs are bad. carbs are good. the story keeps changing. so i'm not listening... to anyone but myself. i know better nutrition when i see it: great grains. great grains cereal starts whole and stays whole. see the seam? more processed flakes look nothing
it's bad for union, nonunion. but one thing it is going to be good for right now, it's going to show working people in the state of michigan that we, in fact, need to be at the table, that we can't have outside organizations or legislatures or governors who think that they have all the answers and they don't want to include everyone in the discussion. that's not the way you recreate a state. that's not the way you contribute in a global economy. workers have a lot to offer. it's unfortunate...
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we are gathered here today to celebrate the union of tim and laura. it's amazing how appreciative people are when you tell them they could save a lot of money on their car insurance by switching to geico...they may even make you their best man. may i have the rings please? ah, helzberg diamonds. nice choice, mate. ...and now in the presence of these guests we join this loving couple. oh dear... geico. 15 minutes could save you 15% or more on car insurance. >>> authorities today identified 22-year-old jacob tyler roberts as the man who walked into an oregon shopping mall packed with holiday shoppers and children in line to see santa and opened fire with an ar-15 semiautomatic rifle. police say roberts who wore a hockey mask during the rampage killed two shoppers, injured a third before taking his own life. police also say they have no motive for the crime and that the high powered weapon had been stolen. and so now comes the predictable cycle. a horrendous crime with firearm stronger than any hunter would need. an honest attempt at a gun control conver
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he actually talked about good union jobs. certainly, chatting with a lot of having the united autoworkers as a backdrop is sending a message he's on their side if he didn't sy that in the remarks but another explosive labor battle in the midwest. in michigan is the newest battleground there. >> mark, thank you very much. >>> more now on the heavy duty negotiating taking place over the fiscal cliff. that's part of the reason that the president is in michigan bringing his message to the people and yesterday the president and house speaker john boehner brought their message to one another. the first one on one in more than three weeks. will there be a deal to include what's called serious entitlement reform and cuts? joining me now congresswoman bass of california. it's a pleasure to have you on again. >> thanks, thanks for having me on, tamron. >> absolutely. the president is in michigan. i want to read what senator dick durbin said on entitlements and reform. let me play it. >> i do believe there should be means testing and th
he actually talked about good union jobs. certainly, chatting with a lot of having the united autoworkers as a backdrop is sending a message he's on their side if he didn't sy that in the remarks but another explosive labor battle in the midwest. in michigan is the newest battleground there. >> mark, thank you very much. >>> more now on the heavy duty negotiating taking place over the fiscal cliff. that's part of the reason that the president is in michigan bringing his message...
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the michigan polls show this is a winner for people who with unions. the governors ratings are very mediocre. majority say that after they hear both sides, they are against right to work and 80% say this is not -- this shouldn't be a priority at all. actually, more say they're going to hold it against legislators for voting for it than reward them for it. >> we know what we will be talking about in 2014 in the midwest. we have that clear. we know what this will be about. >> we already had a debate about this early in the year. scott walker -- >> he sort of -- >> it's hard to say the union people will have to be worried right now. >> it does feel as if when this moves, it moves. the question is, can they calibrate on another policy. we asked in the last 100 years how many presidents were elected after serving in the house, but not in the senate. there's just one. president george h.w. bush was a congressman for texas, unsuccessful candidate for the united states senate. then of course he was u.n. ambassador, cia director and vice president before he was
the michigan polls show this is a winner for people who with unions. the governors ratings are very mediocre. majority say that after they hear both sides, they are against right to work and 80% say this is not -- this shouldn't be a priority at all. actually, more say they're going to hold it against legislators for voting for it than reward them for it. >> we know what we will be talking about in 2014 in the midwest. we have that clear. we know what this will be about. >> we...
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you have a great union there. is this right to work thing really going to hurt your union and kill the esprit de corps of the union workers? why would this hurt them? >> i don't think it will in the uaw. we have great membership loyalty. the problem is it's just the first step. we have watched in this state right wing legislatures pass laws to take away the collective bargaining rights from public sector employees on health care and pensions. they did a petty vindictive law that took away the right to dues deductions for teachers. that's why we're fighting here today, we want to stop this before they try it take away the rights of private sector workers to bargain over wages or pensions or health care. this is about democracy and about america. also want to say for economic development, governor snyder was just bragging yesterday 144,000 jobs since he's been governor. most of those created by the auto industry through collective bargaining. we sat down with ford, general motors, and chrysler, our membership made s
you have a great union there. is this right to work thing really going to hurt your union and kill the esprit de corps of the union workers? why would this hurt them? >> i don't think it will in the uaw. we have great membership loyalty. the problem is it's just the first step. we have watched in this state right wing legislatures pass laws to take away the collective bargaining rights from public sector employees on health care and pensions. they did a petty vindictive law that took away...
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and two of those were unions. folks, this is their strategy. they need to weaken unions. since then, the democratics only bulwark who can pour money into campaigns. they're attacking billionaire workers for political gain. it's cynical. it's reprehensible, and it has to stop. joining me now is gretchen whitmore and now an economics professor at the university of california. his latest book is called "beyond out rage." senator, there will be final votes and a big protest on this plan tomorrow. what's going to happen? >> well, that's right. we are expecting thousands of people here at the capitol because people are angry. this governor, if the 11th hour under cover of dark in a lame duck session came out and did an about face on an issue that he said was too devicive for michigan. now they're trying to ram it through without any hearings. last week, they locked people out of the capitol. people are angry. they're going to show up tomorrow and let their voices be heard. this bill is anti-family. it's ae ee's anti-union, it's anti-america. >> senator reich, when you look at t
and two of those were unions. folks, this is their strategy. they need to weaken unions. since then, the democratics only bulwark who can pour money into campaigns. they're attacking billionaire workers for political gain. it's cynical. it's reprehensible, and it has to stop. joining me now is gretchen whitmore and now an economics professor at the university of california. his latest book is called "beyond out rage." senator, there will be final votes and a big protest on this plan...
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part, politically speaking from union dues. look, here's the issue. the state senate and the stais statehouse have both passed this. they have to pass the other ones, and then rick snyder, we expect, to sign it. one thing that's interesting, ohio, something similar happened, and you saw a ballot initiative that actually repealed the right to work legislation. that's not likely to happen here because in the state constitution you can't repeal a spending bill, ask there was an appropriation, a spending measure, attached to this legislation. so it's going to be harder to overturn it. that doesn't mean people won't protest. it dent mean it won't become a national story, as it's already becoming, but getting it repealed or at least even the process of repeeling could be a lot more difficult. >> now, the president today in michigan is still doing the public campaigning, and this is beginning to pay off. you see real negotiations taking place. what do we know happened at the white house between the president and speaker boehner this w
part, politically speaking from union dues. look, here's the issue. the state senate and the stais statehouse have both passed this. they have to pass the other ones, and then rick snyder, we expect, to sign it. one thing that's interesting, ohio, something similar happened, and you saw a ballot initiative that actually repealed the right to work legislation. that's not likely to happen here because in the state constitution you can't repeal a spending bill, ask there was an appropriation, a...
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and i think he can't wait until the state of the union address in january to address it. it's got to do some things quickly. >> now, you're a historian. give me the historic view of where this would line up with other historic speeches by presidents in the time of crisis. >> well, i mention those two to you. but i think one has to look at this as a time of action now. you look at when john f. kennedy was killed and lyndon johnson came in with we must overcome. but it wasn't just a speech. it had legislation associated. with had a santa barbara oil spill and the country was horrified. the environmental protection act came. life throws you curve balls. this is a big, sad one. and the president now is going to have to put gun control ahead of immigration reform, which was going to be the beginning of the second term, as a number one priority of the country. >> the president had tax reform and now he's going to have to deal with gun control and gun control moves up. at the same time, he's had to comfort. when i look at the photos of him meeting with the sandy hook victim's fa
and i think he can't wait until the state of the union address in january to address it. it's got to do some things quickly. >> now, you're a historian. give me the historic view of where this would line up with other historic speeches by presidents in the time of crisis. >> well, i mention those two to you. but i think one has to look at this as a time of action now. you look at when john f. kennedy was killed and lyndon johnson came in with we must overcome. but it wasn't just a...
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what does sciu and sister union, what do you plan to do? >> we think we need to make the case to the people of michigan and all across this country that wage inequality is the number one problem our nation needs to solve, and in michigan that means joining hands between the million union members, a million more community partners and galvanizing two million people to hold our elected officials in michigan accountable to rebuilding the middle class, and you don't rebuild the middle class by tearing unions apart. so we have to have a multi-year, multi-pronged approach. we need to celebrate wal-mart strikers for jobs they can support their families on. we have to work with business that 79s wants to work with us because we need to put more money in workers' pockets so people can start spending again, and we can help speed economic recovery in this -- in michigan and all across the country. >> well, i mean, you are talking about the message there, and obviously, the unions will mount a messaging campaign against what governor rick snyder did, b
what does sciu and sister union, what do you plan to do? >> we think we need to make the case to the people of michigan and all across this country that wage inequality is the number one problem our nation needs to solve, and in michigan that means joining hands between the million union members, a million more community partners and galvanizing two million people to hold our elected officials in michigan accountable to rebuilding the middle class, and you don't rebuild the middle class...
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and views unions and the rights of unions seems to be changing despite really important role they had in the presidential election. >> number one, we have 15 seconds. >> well, look, this is a year that was dominated by a lot of things but the health care decision was very, very important here. could have changed the presidential election, significant way. and especially, when you look at the way that john roberts was the deciding vote, the swing vote to uphold the health care law. that is a significant, important thing that will have lasting impacts on politics and policy for years to come. >> thank you, edward, for your time today. >>> today's tweet of the day, people, you don't need to go shopping today. relax. make the most of a day at home. i love 'em even more. i earn 1% cash back everywhere, every time. 2% on groceries. 3% on gas. automatically. no hoops to jump through. that's 1% back on... [ toy robot sounds ] 2% on pumpkin pie. and apple. 3% back on 4 trips to the airport. it's as easy as... -[ man ] 1... -[ woman ] 2... [ woman ] 3. [ male announcer ] the bankamericard cash
and views unions and the rights of unions seems to be changing despite really important role they had in the presidential election. >> number one, we have 15 seconds. >> well, look, this is a year that was dominated by a lot of things but the health care decision was very, very important here. could have changed the presidential election, significant way. and especially, when you look at the way that john roberts was the deciding vote, the swing vote to uphold the health care law....
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. >> next i'm joined by randy winegarten, head of the one of the neigh's largest tea party unions on putting armed guards in our school. this is andrea mitchell reports only on msnbc. any way you want. fully customize it for your trading process -- from thought to trade, on every screen. and all in real time. which makes it just like having your own trading floor, right at your fingertips. [ rodger ] at scottrade, seven dollar trades are just the start. try our easy-to-use scottrader streaming quotes. it's another reason more investors are saying... [ all ] i'm with scottrade. >>> in the wake of the connecticut school tragedy, the nra is calling for armed guards at every school. it's a policy the mayor of new jersey put in place and his defended his decision earlier today with thomas roberts. >> i think we have to close the loopholes on gun control. ta being said, our students need to be safe where they learned. what newtown showed us is existing security is not safe. the only way to protect our students right now is to have a police officer present in the school. >> but not everyone
. >> next i'm joined by randy winegarten, head of the one of the neigh's largest tea party unions on putting armed guards in our school. this is andrea mitchell reports only on msnbc. any way you want. fully customize it for your trading process -- from thought to trade, on every screen. and all in real time. which makes it just like having your own trading floor, right at your fingertips. [ rodger ] at scottrade, seven dollar trades are just the start. try our easy-to-use scottrader...
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i think viewers of the ed show know how unions do that, and they do it effectively under attack. this tea party has people getting $8 million payouts. if you're so against government spending, worried about the money at the top, why should dick armey be getting all this cash? >> wow! jay-z spinning ari melbin. >>> the tragic christmas eve shooting in western new york is furthering the gun debate. is new gun legislation in our future? >>> if you haven't heard about the dairy cliff, you'll want to listen up. david k. johnson explains why you could be paying $8 for a gallon of milk if congress doesn't act. copd makes it hard to breathe, but with advair, i'm breathing better. so now i can be in the scene. advair is clinically proven to help significantly improve lung function. unlike most copd medications, advair contains both an anti-inflammatory and a long-acting bronchodilator working together to help improve your lung function all day. advair won't replace fast-acting inhalers for sudden symptoms and should not be used more than twice a day. people with copd taking advair may hav
i think viewers of the ed show know how unions do that, and they do it effectively under attack. this tea party has people getting $8 million payouts. if you're so against government spending, worried about the money at the top, why should dick armey be getting all this cash? >> wow! jay-z spinning ari melbin. >>> the tragic christmas eve shooting in western new york is furthering the gun debate. is new gun legislation in our future? >>> if you haven't heard about the...
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i think viewers of the ed show know how unions do that, and they do it effectively under attack. this tea party has people getting $8 million payouts. if you're so against government spending, worried about the money at the top, why should dick armey be getting all this cash? >> wow! jay-z spinning ari melbin. >>> the tragic christmas eve shooting in western new york is furthering the gun debate. is new gun legislation in our future? >>> if you haven't heard about the dairy cliff, you'll want to listen up. david k. johnson explains why you could be paying $8 for a gallon of milk if congress doesn't act. hey sis, it's so great to see you. you, too! oh, cloudy glasses. you didn't have to come over! actually, honey, i think i did... oh? you did? whoa, ladies, easy. hi. cascade kitchen counselor. we can help avoid this with cascade complete pacs. see, over time, cascade complete pacs fight film buildup two times better than finish quantum. to help leave glasses sparkling shiny! too bad it doesn't work on windows. okay, i'm outta here. cascade. the clear choice. i just finished a bowl
i think viewers of the ed show know how unions do that, and they do it effectively under attack. this tea party has people getting $8 million payouts. if you're so against government spending, worried about the money at the top, why should dick armey be getting all this cash? >> wow! jay-z spinning ari melbin. >>> the tragic christmas eve shooting in western new york is furthering the gun debate. is new gun legislation in our future? >>> if you haven't heard about the...